内容来源：https://www.theverge.com/news/777666/tucker-carlson-altman-openai-interview

内容总结：

近日，美国前福克斯新闻主持人塔克·卡尔森在采访 OpenAI 首席执行官萨姆·阿尔特曼时，公开质疑该公司已故研究员苏希尔·巴拉吉的真实死因，引发舆论关注。巴拉吉于 2024 年 11 月去世，旧金山警方调查后认定其为自杀，但卡尔森在访谈中声称死者“绝对是被谋杀”，并引用其母亲的说法称“谋杀是受阿尔特曼指使”。

据悉，巴拉吉生前曾公开发文并在《纽约时报》撰文，指控 OpenAI 使用受版权保护的数据训练人工智能的行为涉嫌违法，并原定就《纽约时报》起诉 OpenAI 及微软一案出庭作证。不过，有知识产权律师指出其论证存在对版权法的误解，且未提供公司内部机密信息。

卡尔森在访谈中列举多项疑点，如现场发现多处血迹、监控线路被切断、无遗书等，强调巴拉吉生前并无自杀倾向。阿尔特曼则回应称警方的调查已有明确结论，并表示“被迫为此自辩十分荒诞”。值得注意的是，卡尔森多次以“并非指控”淡化提问的尖锐性，但仍坚持要求阿尔特曼回应。

目前，巴拉吉的母亲仍坚持认为儿子之死与 OpenAI 等人工智能企业利益相关，并已雇佣专家进行独立调查。该观点得到了埃隆·马斯克及部分美国议员的支持，但尚未有官方证据支持“谋杀”指控。

中文翻译：

本周在接受OpenAI首席执行官萨姆·奥尔特曼专访时，前福克斯新闻主播塔克·卡尔森提出一项阴谋论观点，坚称OpenAI前研究员苏奇尔·巴拉吉"绝对是被谋杀"的。这位研究员于2024年11月去世，旧金山警方认定其为自杀。此前他曾在网络和《纽约时报》发文，指控OpenAI技术存在版权侵权问题。

卡尔森在对话进行约半小时时直言不讳地阐述其推论依据，声称"巴拉吉的母亲指控您下令谋杀其子"。奥尔特曼随即出示警方调查报告强调："在调查中为此自辩令人感到荒谬且悲哀，您确实在隐晦地指控我。"尽管卡尔森对此予以否认。

巴拉吉生前通过数学分析得出结论："OpenAI使用受版权保护数据的行为违法，ChatGPT等技术正在损害互联网生态。"他原定就《纽约时报》起诉OpenAI与微软案出庭作证。但《财富》杂志援引知识产权律师观点称，其论证存在对版权法的误解，且未像其他吹哨人那样披露公司内部信息。

巴拉吉的母亲以"未留遗书"及聘请专家的调查结果为由，坚信儿子是被为维护AI企业利益而灭口。今年她曾做客卡尔森主持的《疑似遇害的OpenAI吹哨人之母全盘揭秘，呼吁调查萨姆·奥尔特曼》节目。埃隆·马斯克及其社交圈人士、多名政界人士均在持续扩散这一观点。

以下是专访关键对话节选：
卡尔森："他绝对是被谋杀的...现场有搏斗痕迹，监控线路被切断。他刚取完外卖，才与朋友从卡特琳娜岛度假归来，毫无自杀征兆，未留遗书，遇害前还曾与家人通话，最终却在多个房间留下血迹——这根本不合逻辑。您是否就此事与当局沟通过？"
奥尔特曼：未曾与当局沟通。
卡尔森："其母声称您下令行凶。"
奥尔特曼："您相信这种说法吗？"
卡尔森："我...我只是转述询问。"
奥尔特曼："但您既然提出，是否意味着您采信该指控？"
卡尔森："我认为值得调查。若有人指控贵公司违法后离奇死亡，且现场存在搏斗证据，不能仅因无抑郁证据就草率断定为自杀。若他是您朋友，您应该..."
奥尔特曼："我主动联系过其母，但遭拒绝。"
卡尔森："您是否认为公众对此事的关注折射出对AI行业的普遍忧虑？"
奥尔特曼："极少有访谈会遭遇谋杀指控..."
卡尔森："我绝非指控您，只是转述其母主张。"

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英文来源：

While interviewing OpenAI CEO Sam Altman this week, former Fox News host Tucker Carlson brought up his belief in a conspiracy theory that former OpenAI researcher Suchir Balaji was “definitely murdered.” The researcher’s death in November 2024, which was ruled a suicide by the San Francisco police, followed his release of statements online and in a New York Times article calling out OpenAI’s tech for alleged copyright violations.
Tucker Carlson asks Sam Altman if an OpenAI employee was murdered ‘on your orders’
‘Oh I’m not accusing you at all, I’m just saying.’
‘Oh I’m not accusing you at all, I’m just saying.’
In their back-and-forth about a half-hour into the chat, Carlson bluntly explains his reasons for believing the theory, and that “[Balji’s] mother claims he was murdered on your orders.” Altman brings up the police reports and their findings after an investigation, later remarking, “I feel strange and sad debating this, and having to defend myself seems totally crazy, and you are a little bit accusing me,” even as Carlson denies doing so.
Balaji had said that he was able to, using mathematical analysis, support the conclusion that “OpenAI’s use of copyrighted data violated the law and that technologies like ChatGPT were damaging the internet.” He had been set to testify in the Times’ lawsuit against OpenAI and Microsoft. However, intellectual property lawyers cited in a report by Fortune said his arguments appeared to misunderstand copyright law, and it notes that he hadn’t released new inside information about the company, which some former employees turned whistleblowers have.
Balaji’s mother has said she believes he was murdered to benefit OpenAI and other artificial intelligence companies, citing the absence of a note and findings of experts she’s hired. She appeared on Carlson’s show earlier this year, in an episode titled “Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman.” Her view has been promoted since Balaji’s death by Elon Musk and many people around him, as well as several elected officials.
You can watch the relevant segment of the interview here, but this is what Carlson and Altman said that stuck out:
Carlson: “…he was definitely murdered, I think… there were signs of a struggle, of course. The surveillance camera, the wires had been cut. He had just ordered take-out food, come back from a vacation with his friends on Catalina Island. No indication at all that he was suicidal. No note and no behavior. He had just spoken to a family member on the phone.
And then he’s found dead with blood in multiple rooms. So that’s impossible. Seems really obvious he was murdered. Have you talked to the authorities about it?”
Altman: I have not talked to the authorities about it.
Carlson: “Um, and his mother claims he was murdered on your orders. “
Altman: “Do you believe that?”
Carlson: “I- I’m, Well, I’m I’m asking.”
Altman: “I mean… you, you just said it, so do you, do you believe that?
Carlson: “I think that it is, um, worth looking into. And I don’t… I mean, if a guy comes out and accuses your company of committing crimes, I have no idea if that’s true or not, of course. Um, and then he is found killed, and there are signs of a struggle. I… I don’t think it’s worth dismissing it…I don’t think we should say, well, he killed himself when there’s no evidence that the guy was depressed at all. Um, I think… and if he was your friend, I would think he would want to speak to his mom or…
Altman: “I did offer, she didn’t want to.”
Carlson: “So, do you feel that, you know, when people look at that and they’re like, you know, it’s possible that happened. Do you feel that that reflects the worries they have about what’s happening here? Like people are afraid that this is like…”
Altman: “I haven’t done too many interviews where I’ve been accused of, like…”
Carlson: “Oh, I’m not accusing you at all. I’m just saying his, his mother says that.”
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